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Post by pavane on Jan 17, 2023 14:18:12 GMT
Reeds - sigh - don't you just hate them?
I'm a firm fan of synthetic reeds because they are more convenient and reliable than cane. Even so, there are lots of brands and I have found many of them to be fairly horrible.
I mostly use Légères. They are not without faults. I have 2 identical reeds, same strength, bought at same time, and one plays quite well and the other is awful. I'm a very inexperienced player but that can't all be down to me. I mostly use the ordinary ones as I find the Signatures harder but they sound the same, to me at least.
I've tried Forestone but they seem to go soft very quickly. I had a Harry Hartmann Fiberreed that I liked, so I bought some more and they all seemed pretty awful. I haven't tried Silverstein, but I have tried Playnick. It's very strange because so far as I can tell, Silverstein make Playnick reeds, but Playnick sell them for about the same price for a box of 3 as Silverstein sell them for a single. In my experience, they are very hard.
I'd be interested to hear other people's experiences.
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Post by Zi on Jan 17, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I don't like the taste of them (the cane ones) and no I'm not eating them honestly. I bought just one synthetic reed. It wasn't an expensive one - a Bravo. I got it because the other synthetic ones were harder than the Juno reed I was using and the Bravo could be bought as a 1.5. I have to admit I prefer using it because there isn't that weird taste but I have no idea if it's better or worse because I've been playing exactly 17 days! Perhaps when I'm more experienced I'll be able to tell.
I did try harder than 1.5 reeds and really struggled to get any sound at all. I must admit I prefer looking after the synthetic reed too. It isn't so tetchy.
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Post by pavane on Jan 17, 2023 19:48:42 GMT
Just to be devil's advocate
If you look at the Vandoren clarinet mouthpiece comparison chart you will see that they recommend different strength reeds for different mouthpieces - from a 1-2 for a 7JB to a 3.5-5 for an M13. But, at least as I understand it, all those reeds should feel more-or-less equally hard when you're playing them. The mouthpiece can make a huge difference: a 5 in a 7JB would be like playing an oak plank and a 1 in an M13 would be like playing a skinny bit of balsa wood. Shorter mouthpieces make a reed feel harder, as do more open ones; longer or more closed make them feel softer. You will see that the B45, which they call their universal mouthpiece, has a medium opening and a medium length, in other words is "average" and they recommend an average strength reed.
Thus if you want to try a Légère 2.0, their softest, you could just switch to a different mouthpiece. I've tried a few and I use a mouthpiece that is long and has a narrow opening so it makes reeds seem pretty soft, and I still only use a 2.0 or thereabouts (I've got a couple of 2.25s).
Most mouthpiece makers and some shops will send you a bunch of them on approval, so it needn't cost more than postage to try some out. And what else is there to do in winter???
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Post by Zi on Jan 18, 2023 7:32:38 GMT
OK I'm now all excited about mouthpieces. And I am now afraid - very afraid because I know what I'm like. There will be 22 mouthpieces before you can say 'clarinet...' I'm not good at buying things on approval. I buy them and then think: 'I don't like this much...' or the converse. So maybe you should suggest some mouthpieces I should look at. I did wonder about the entry level Yamaha as they seemed to be good for real, absolute, haven't got the faintest - beginners!
I like the oak plank and balsa wood analogy!
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Post by pavane on Jan 18, 2023 9:56:22 GMT
I'm also not good at buying things on approval and have a cupboard full of stuff just behind me to prove it. But with mouthpieces, I really do think it's worth being firm with yourself. Partly because they are not like, say, a recorder you buy and think "it will never be my favourite" but you could still pick it up and play it from time to time - some will seem unplayably awful and you will never use them at all. Partly because they can be quite expensive things. I have not been entirely successful at not building up a mouthpiece collection, but partly by accident (eg I dropped one and scratched it so I couldn't send it back), and I have rejected several. There is also a little bit of variation so I don't exclusively use only one of them.
I don't know what mouthpiece you have, but everyone on clarinet forums says the one you get with the instrument will probably be very basic and not much good and the best value upgrade you ever make will be to get a better one. Of course, everyone in that context means every self-indulgent adult hobbyist who can afford to treat themselves to a new mouthpiece (or whatever), but there is probably some truth in it. That same everyone seems to be fairly split on the subject of the Yamaha mouthpiece. Some say it's great, a really good value upgrade that will make a big difference for not much money; others say it is very poor and not worth the bother. I don't know whether that's because it's a bit basic or because it's fairly inexpensive, so how can it be any good?? When I was playing clarinet the first time around and had some lessons, the teacher I had was really impressed by the clarinet I had (an Uebel, which he had never heard of before - they are a long established German company that were trying to break into the Boehm clarinet world so the instruments were good value) but said it needed a decent mouthpiece rather than the bit of junk I was using. Which was of course the Yamaha. He got me to get a Vandoren B46, I think more because he liked it than because it was the very best for me, but he reckoned it was a big improvement in sound quality.
I'm not sure that I could really suggest anything because the mouthpieces I've tried wouldn't fit your clarinet. Probably my very favourite is my Wurlitzer, for the somewhat childish reason that it's made of semi-transparent smoked perspex and looks pretty cool! The two I have found easiest are an AW, of which I have the D90 which would not work for you but you could try one of their Boehm models. I have the "modern" style and it really is more comfortable, I can play it for a long time. Thomann sell them here here and I think you would get free postage to UK and they will definitely take them back without question if you don't like them. You do have to pay upfront. The other one I liked is a Gleichweit which are even more expensive than the AWs! I think though that they will let you have a selection for testing for a relatively small fee. Given that if you chose 3 to test they would probably cost more than the clarinet did, you would definitely have to plan to send them back if you didn't like them. In the UK, Dawkes are pretty good. They have a mouthpiece page which offers home testing of up to 3 at a time for a small charge for each of the ones you reject. I'm sure they could offer you advice about what you might try.
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Post by Zi on Jan 18, 2023 10:23:47 GMT
There's that problem again - I don't know if my mouthpiece is any good. I have a Hanson clarinet and I think it's quite nice. Sometimes it makes a nice noise. It's closed hole as I thought that would be easier on my aged digits and incompetence. I think I'm going to look at the pictures and see what's cool because the clarinet is meant to be me having some fun, doing a genre I know nothing about and I don't particularly have an affinity for and really being playful.
I already want the smoked perspex one!
But thank you! I always enjoy your advice!
The trouble is over 'on approval' I have an enormously big birthday coming up this year - 7 Oh! I never thought I'd get there and both myself and my husband really want to reward me for Staying Alive! (Wish I could play that on the clarinet!) So, it's hard not to indulge me at the moment.
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Post by pavane on Jan 18, 2023 11:16:46 GMT
There's that problem again - I don't know if my mouthpiece is any good. If you try another one and there is no improvement in any way, then (for you at least) it was fine, and send the others back. If you are immediately better and/or more comfortable then it wasn't that good (again, for you at least). Does it have a maker's name or model on it? If it's just blank, most people would probably say it's unlikely to be very good, though it might still be just right for you. Even the smoked perspex one comes in a range of sizes though which would all play differently, so you would still need to try them out!!!
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Post by Zi on Jan 18, 2023 12:44:46 GMT
You see there's a problem.
You say: Sense, sensible, measured, reasoned, no need for loadsamouthpieces. And I hear: Buy loadsamouthpieces quick!
My mouthpiece is a Hanson. I'll look at some pictures and see if I can figure anything out. I do like the synthetic reed though. But maybe I should try others too.
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Post by pavane on Jan 18, 2023 17:45:36 GMT
The smoked mouthpiece is this one. You can't tell from the picture that it's semi-transparent, but you can make it out in Thomann's pictures - it's quite subtle. Now, if you really want to treat yourself when it comes to your birthday, Wurlitzer clarinets are so expensive, you have to ask them how much (which naturally means...). They will, however, point you in the direction of a more affordable 2nd hand version. There is a 7-yr-old one of their current model here for a mere €8000, though there is a cheap one for only €6000. Much more likely for a birthday though that you'd want the matched pair of A and Bb models at only €18800. But then again, for a really serious birthday, why buy second hand???
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Post by Zi on Jan 18, 2023 18:38:31 GMT
And I thought you were my friend. The mouthpiece looks very elegant. I've seen what looks to be glass ones too. Does it really make a huge difference to the sound? Is it harder sounding or what? I'm intrigued by how you say the different reeds change against the different mouthpieces. Maybe I need to buy one just to hear that for myself. In all seriousness I'm thinking Bernolin for my birthday - my husband says he'll buy it for me and I'm thinking of buying Elody or similar... it depends if I can cover all those holes.
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Post by pavane on Jan 19, 2023 7:56:43 GMT
Occasionally I like to look at these very expensive instruments and dream that I would be so good at playing them that I'd actually get that extra bit of tonal quality out of them that is presumably what all that expense confers - like thinking I can't afford a stradivarius but the expense would be justified if I could. The last clarinet I bought cost €115.
It's a bit the same with the mouthpieces. I've read things by people who say they use such and such a mouthpiece when playing in an orchestra, but a different one in a small group for its slightly different tonal qualities. In my hands, it's more along the lines you report: sometimes it sounds good, sometimes it doesn't. The main difference I find is in how relaxing they are to play.
I use a soft reed anyway, so if I'm tired I can't make life easier by going down a notch or two, there is nowhere to go, so my testing has all been about finding something comfortable that works with a 2.0 reed because that's the softest Légère make. I've tried a couple of mouthpieces where even that is too hard. As for the ones I settled on, they are both within my comfort zone. The AW one is the easiest and I use it a bit more than the other one. I don't use it all the time because it's harder to get the very high notes with it. I bought the Wurlitzer one mainly because I read that it was a very good "standard" mouthpiece for beginners and I wanted to try that. I do have to work a bit harder with it, but it's not super difficult and I can get the high notes much more easily. Does it sound any better? I don't honestly know. Sometimes I think it does a little, sometimes I think there's nothing in it.
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Post by Zi on Jan 19, 2023 16:36:18 GMT
OK. I've looked at the charts and pictures. I'm going to measure bits of my mouthpiece and compare it to the other mouthpieces. Is this like Nikon and Canon?
What did they make clarinet mouthpieces of before they made them of all the artificial stuff they can make them of now?
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Post by pavane on Jan 19, 2023 17:27:10 GMT
OK. I've looked at the charts and pictures. I'm going to measure bits of my mouthpiece and compare it to the other mouthpieces. Is this like Nikon and Canon?
I don't know. What is the difference between Nikon and Canon? Or is the point that there isn't one?
Wood!
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Post by Zi on Jan 19, 2023 17:30:49 GMT
If you say you take photos at all seriously you always get asked that question and then there's a row...
I've just seen titanium ones. I so want one. Titanium is an amazing metal.
I think my mouthpiece is very average. I thought I'd try a size either side of it... At least I know understand what they do so that's some kind of progress. I might be able to figure out which direction to go in, if I can figure out what the issue is when I blow it...
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Post by Zi on Feb 2, 2023 16:02:21 GMT
I've ordered a mouthpiece for my clarinet. I wish I could say that I've gone about this in a methodical way but I haven't. I considered a few mouthpieces that are supposed to be good for beginners. I have agonised over this for nearly a fortnight and I couldn't make up my mind. So today, I'd got it all narrowed down but then I came across a sparkly one aimed at young players and I bought it because it was sparkly... It is supposed to be easy for beginners as well though. It's the Buffet Urban Play www.buffet-crampon.com/en/accessories/mouthpieces/
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