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Post by Misty on Apr 27, 2023 13:55:31 GMT
We touched on this in my last lesson. Unfortunately, due to a variety of factors, I haven't had a lesson in almost a month, and would like to know what syllables to use for this. I think I'm using something like t-k-t-k but not sure if that's right. Actually, it takes me so long to get my head round it, that I can single-tongue it much more quickly and cleanly. But....progression and all that....
Can anyone help? I'm being encouraged to use it in one or two of the Modos from Der FluytenLust-hof (no 9).
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Post by Zi on Apr 27, 2023 20:17:32 GMT
Misty - pavane put up a vid which included double-tonguing here: Link to threadIt's very good and very interesting as it talks about the different ways in which it can be done. It's not the case that there is a single solution - there are several syllables you can use depending on how you want it to sound and which syllables are easiest for you. The vid makes it very clear that some sounds are easier for some people than others. And it also makes it clear that it isn't something that comes easily - it needs working on. Do you use a similar technique for the flute and can it be adapted for the recorder? edited to add - I didn't find tk particularly easy at first nor dg either. I still prefer didl - especially when I want a smoother, legato sound...
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Post by Misty on Apr 27, 2023 20:52:57 GMT
Now you mention it, I think my recorder teacher mentioned didl too, which is one of the reasons I posted - I couldn't actually remember what "sound" she had me trying out. So thank you, Zi, for jogging my memory! I did double-tonguing and triple-tonguing on flute, but with different syllables, but whether that was because that worked better on flute or whether it was the personal preference of my flute teacher is something that I have never (yet) ascertained.
Thank you very much for the link. It's getting late now, so I will study it in detail tomorrow and see if I can incorporate any of the ideas into my practice session. I will also experiment with different syllables. I'm sure it will be very helpful.
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Post by Zi on Apr 28, 2023 8:16:17 GMT
Teachers have bias too (like all of us) and it can be difficult to work out which is preference, which works best or what... or if indeed there is a best. Piers Adams uses a wide range of sounds. Do watch the vid - when you have time. It's really interesting and they're both fun! It becomes clear that if you're finding it difficult, that's to be expected. My first teacher was a flautist and had me dg-ing and tk-ing using Rooda's little book - 95 Dexterity Exercises for the Descant Recorder. It's not as horrific as it sounds. I liked some of the exercises melodically and there are lots of little pieces (Purcell, Bach etc etc) along the way. I used the same exercises for slurring and staccato. Basically, all you want is a predictable pattern so you can concentrate on the tonguing. Anyway, Rooda has the same thing for the treble... which actually I must buy too! But something like that might help. I'm sure your teacher will have suggestions! My last recorder teacher didn't teach me double tonguing. She could play super fast so didn't see the necessity! I'm glad it helped. Let's see if there are other suggestions.
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Post by pavane on Apr 28, 2023 9:17:49 GMT
I really like the Rooda book - some of the exercises are quite nice to play in their own right, and there are lots of snippets of Bach etc as Zi says. It's a great little book, also very old and widely available for not much money.
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Post by Misty on Apr 28, 2023 16:24:51 GMT
Anyway, Rooda has the same thing for the treble...
I have watched the video now - interesting to note how many examples of various articulations there are!
The little Rooda book looks great, and it's now in my basket at Amazon. Thanks for that tip-off! I think it will be really helpful, and I like that some are so short and would be really useful for warm-ups.
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Post by Zi on Apr 29, 2023 8:04:55 GMT
Rooda will be perfect for warming up. According to my spreadsheet I have a copy of the F instrument version too. I'll dig it out and see how different it is from the C version. Freda Dinn has done a similar little book too... Dexterity Studies for the Descant Recorder but I'm not so familiar with it. I'll dig it out too. Freda Dinn has popped up a lot in my reading though so as I was typing this, I did a search for her... and an obit turned up at the SRP (Society of Recorder Players) Freda Dinn SRP ObitThere's a lovely photo (B&W) and she looks nice! I knew about her recorder commitment but apparently she also played violin. I really must take a look at her little book again. Re articulations - I think that's the tip of the iceberg!
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