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Post by Zi on Feb 15, 2023 11:32:41 GMT
I know we've talked about these in different places but I came across a plastic instrument orchestra playing Bolero. If you have perfect pitch or anything approaching it then you'll struggle with this... pavane you said the Bolero has already been 'ruined' for you so I have no fears for you. It's still impressive. If you get more than a few bars in you'll hear that the instruments are off key. But I'm still impressed with what plastic can do and how these young people cope!
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Post by pavane on Feb 15, 2023 12:47:33 GMT
Well, that was a lot better than the performance I attended. There was a bit at 2:32 when it suddenly seemed to go horribly out of tune - so much so that I wondered if it was some sort of mistake and someone was playing eg a B♭ clarinet part on a C instrument. I don't know how Nuvo clarinets are tuned, but I think the old Lyons ones were in C. Not that I could tell for certain that it was a clarinet - you could see 2 of them just before with one (pink) silent and one (blue) playing reasonably well in tune, then just as it went out of tune it cut to a shot of the centre of the body of the clarinet so you couldn't tell if it was still the blue one, had switched to the pink one, or was something else altogether. All in all, though, surprisingly good for inexpensive plastic instruments. Some of the brass a bit "harsh" towards the end. Am I right in thinking that it's easy to wonder away from an accurate pitch on a brass instrument whatever it's made of if the player is not very experienced? Or is that the clarinet???
There is really no reason why good quality wind instruments should not be made out of plastic. It's one of those tricky issues from an environment pov - is it better to create more plastic, or chop down more hardwood trees?
I was intrigued to see that the Clarineo uses something much more like a German system mechanism than a Boehm one. Strange! I couldn't tell wrt to the fingering though: the charts were incomprehensible, to me at least - they were upside down for a start, and it was hard to tell which keys should be pressed and which not.
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Post by keff on Feb 15, 2023 13:41:48 GMT
Bravo the plastic orchestra.
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Post by Zi on Feb 15, 2023 14:42:31 GMT
I'm impressed by that orchestra. The flutes are very impressive. The horn uses rotary valves and it can be tuned in either Bb or C. It has a variety of mouthpieces so the child can see which one(s) they're happiest with and then choose an instrument to progress to accordingly.
Mr Z has a Boehm flute a couple of Irish flutes in resin. One is quite a good one - the other much cheaper. I've tried the Boehm and the weight and the stance was too much for me to deal with. If I was going to play a flute, I'd stand a better chance with either a resin Irish flute or a plastic Nuvo one.
The problem with chopping down hardwood trees is that they take such an age to grow to any reasonable size and some of them are so long-lived when left to their own devices. It's a very tricky environmental question that one.
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Post by evergreen on Feb 15, 2023 15:20:56 GMT
Well that was an interesting experience! I must admit I winced in parts and I wouldn't like to pay to see them, but if it serves a particular market - maybe getting kids started, or in climates which play havoc with wood instruments? - then all credit to them. I've never heard Bolero played without a string section before but it seemed to work OK without. Interesting to see the Roland Aerophone. I've never seen one before, or even heard of them. I've had a quick look on the Roland web site and it seems to be the wind equivalent of an electronic keyboard. Thanks for posting that
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Post by Zi on Feb 15, 2023 17:56:50 GMT
It is interesting evergreen - as you say, some is a bit of a trial on the ears. Even I noticed! The Nuvo instruments are very robust and you can buy spare parts making them even more attractive. Because they are washable, it's also possible to loan them out to children for them to see if they would like to play a particular type of instrument. I think it's brilliant to offer that kind of chance. My only reservations would be about the danger of putting people off if the players weren't in tune with one another.
I have a Nuvo Toot which is a cross between a recorder and a flute and it's nicely made and looks as though it could take some punishment.
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